Interview With Prof. Dr. Busby And Leuren Moret – Fallujah, Fukushima And The Global Radiation Catastrophe … Exposing Worldwide Depopulation And Genocide


FULL INTERVIEW: MP3: Leuren Moret & Chistopher Busby (The Real Deal):

NB: The mp3 link has been corrected with the February 2012 interview.

Part 1:

Fallujah, Fukushima, & the Global Radiation Catastrophe, Part 1 (Veterans Today, Feb. 13, 2012)

Part 2:

Fallujah, Fukushima, & the Global Radiation Catastrophe, Part 2 (Veterans Today, Feb. 23, 2012):

The 20th century proved to be a century of great advancement towards the centuries old goals of the ruling elite – global slavery and total control of the world’s resources.

Through the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Vatican, CIA and MI6, and the European Union (EU), and profiteering from the global drug economy – the ruling elite have developed their agenda to depopulate and remove independence from all countries and permit the aristocracies tyrannical rule from behind the military might of the United Nations (UN). Covert and overt nuclear wars are causing a catastrophic decline in the global population, funded by profiteering war mongering bankers, and politicians who authorized the use of genocidal nuclear weapons while investing in pharmaceutical companies to treat the epidemic of global illnesses caused by their nuclear weapons.

The recent skiing accident by Dutch Prince Friso, led to the exposure of the deep criminal activities of the Dutch and other aristocracies:  “Grim Tidings From the Netherlands: Prince Bernhard’s Grandchildren Continue Bilderberg Legacy”. For centuries, through the Dutch East India Company, the deep involvement of the Dutch crown in the global drug trade has now been exposed as the source of the Dutch monarchies tremendous wealth. As second son, Prince Friso was involved in many aspects of the development of technologies for total control of the human race from space (HAARP), was employed by Goldman Sachs (the Rothschild bankers), Wolfenson of the World Bank, and presently a uranium enrichment company. Despite being a homosexual, he married the former girlfriend of one of the top ten drug dealers (a Dutchman) in the world – with ties to Queen Beatrix (his mother) through her lawyer. The aristocracy likes to keep their enterprises “in the family””The Real Deal” Radio Show (February 3, 2012)

“The Real Deal” Radio Show (February 3, 2012)

Host: Jim Fetzer: James Fetzer Ph.D.

Dr. Busby: Christopher Busby, Ph.D.
Leuren Moret: Leuren Moret, B.S., M.A., PhD (ABD)

Editor’s Note: This transcription was prepared by William B. Fox, Publisher, America First Books, who also helped organize this interview. Let me add a special note of appreciation to Leuren Moret, who has done a brilliant job of providing the photos and graphs that accompany Part 1 and Part 2, which have substantially enhanced the presentation of the stunning information provided by her and Christopher Busby during this historic interview.  They both deserve our highest praise and commendation.

Hour Two

Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer, your host on “The Real Deal”, continuing my conversation with Leuren Moret, an independent geoscientist, who has done expert studies on Fukushima among her other research efforts, and Dr. Christopher Busby, visiting Biomedical Studies Professor at the University of Ulster, expert on the effects on what turns out to be enriched uranium in Iraq, and who has authored a new book in Japanese about the Fukushima disaster. Leuren, I know you have a number of things you would like to say.

Leuren Moret: Yes, in 2009 I was invited to my second War Crimes Conference in Malaysia by Tun Dr. Mahathir [former Prime Minister of Malaysia], and Chris was there in 2007. He did an absolutely wonderful, wonderful presentation. And my presentation in 2009 was titled “UN 2008 Report Evidence of Global Decline in Population and Fertility”. I put up two United Nations [UN] diagrams [Fig. 8, 10] from that report – their [UN] own report – that demonstrated that since 1986 all countries in the world, all regions in the world, have had declining populations and declining fertility.


Population change globally has been negative, since the end of nuclear bomb testing in 1963. The rate of change (slope of the curve) is similar for all regions, indicating a common cause. Environmental nuclear pollution as the cause, is indicated by a further decline in population and fertility (Fig. 10) with the introduction of each new nuclear technology: atmospheric testing (1952-63), nuclear power plants (1960’s-present), Chernobyl (1986), depleted uranium and exotic nuclear weapons (1990 to present), and the now emerging effects of the Fukushima disaster (2011) equivalent to at least 300 Chernobyl disasters. Source: UN Report: “World Population Prospects: The 2008 Revision – Highlights”, Fig. 2.

That was a quite shocking thing to present because a lot of people said “Well the UN said we have an expanding over-population…”


The World Resources Institute was established in 1982 to promote their version of “sustainability”, and is funded by the World Bank and other global banking institutions. Many foundations also provide funding, such as the Rockefeller Foundation, Open Society Institute (George Soros), and CIA linked foundations. Partnerships with Goldman-Sachs, Wal-Mart, Wells Fargo Bank, wealthy individuals, and oil companies, provide further funding. The Board of Directors includes the “global salesmen” for the NWO agenda (such as Al Gore and nuclear energy). The World Resources Institute clearly has a NWO agenda promoting overpopulation, depopulation, nuclear power, climate change etc. that benefits the interests of the global ruling elite. Source: World Resources Institute

But their [UN] own report, their own data is very shocking, because they are saying that all these regions and countries had declining fertility and population, and it’s their own data. And what was more surprising to me more than anything, is that it is the most developed nations that have had the greatest decline in population and fertility. [It is] much greater than in the less-developed regions [note absence of nuclear power], or even the world average.


This UN data indicates that global Fertility began a catastrophic decline following the Partial Test Ban Treaty (1963), that ended a decade of US/UK/Soviet atmospheric tests. The decline in fertility accelerated after Chernobyl (1986), and further declined with the introduction of depleted uranium and exotic nuclear weapons during the Iraq Wars (1990-2000). The genocidal and indiscriminate global impact of the 2011 Fukushima disaster, on global fertility and population numbers, is unknown, will be much greater than the known impact of previous nuclear pollution levels. Source: UN Report: “World Population Prospects: The 2008 Revision – Highlights”, Fig. 3.

Dr. Fetzer: Could that be because the reproduction rate is of a smaller number of children per family rather than the more rapid rate we find in less developed countries.

L. Moret: Well look at where the nuclear power plants are. They are in all the superpower nations almost. Japan, the U.S., Canada, Europe…


Nuclear power is controlled by the City of London bankers and promoted through corruption and deception, as the cheapest form of electricity and a solution to global warming. In reality it is the most expensive form of electricity, subsidized by governments and taxes, and it is the greatest emitter of greenhouse gases if the full cycle emissions are included. The impact on global public health and the health of the environment is at a cost the global community and environment cannot afford.
Source: “The Madness of Nuclear Energy”, The Ecologist 29/7 (November 1999), back cover.

Dr. Fetzer: So it is part of the contamination that goes with any kind of commitment to nuclear energy.

L. Moret: Right.

Dr. Fetzer: Which means nuclear energy is inherently hazardous, and really ought to have been avoided, if these countries had been sophisticated enough to resist the lobbying by industries that wanted to make money – regardless of the consequences for the health and welfare of the surrounding population.
L. Moret: Well the other thing that you can see from these two U.N. graphs [Fig. 8, 10] is that there was a profound impact following nuclear bomb testing and there was a further decline, a very sharp decline, following Chernobyl and then you can see even the conflicts in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Yugoslavia contributed more. So it has got to be an environmental cause, since it is happening globally, and the slope of the curves of the decline are the same for all of the regions except for the superpowers, which were lower to begin with. So they did not have such a sharp decline. But the rate of decline is the same almost globally. That is environmental.

Dr. Fetzer: Chris, would you like to add to that?

Dr. Christopher Busby: Well, I think that one of the causes of this has been, that around about 1986, you started to get babies being born to women and men who were born during the peak of the weapons fallout.


The radiation fallout map from “Under The Cloud: The Decades of Nuclear Testing”, illustrates the effects of 1200 nuclear weapons tests conducted at the Nevada Test Site. The U.S. Government admitted in November, 2002, that every person living in the United States between 1958 and 1963 was exposed to fallout from nuclear weapons testing. The United States now has an epidemic of radiation related diseases: cancer, heart disease, autism, diabetes, Parkinson’s Disease, Lou Gehrigs (ALS), asthma, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, hypothyroidism in newborns, obesity, and learning disabilities. One out of 12 children in the United States is disabled. Source: R. L. Miller, “Under The Cloud: The Decades of Nuclear Testing” (1991). D.V.Conn “U.S. Counts one in 12 children disabled”, Washington Post (6 July 2002).

Now we know from studies that were done, that those children born between 1959 and 1964, had very much higher levels of Strontium 90 and uranium in their bone. And so they would have suffered genetic damage as a result of their exposure in the 60?s. Then of course when they came to the 1980?s and started to have children, those would have been F1 [Fallout 1] children and they would have had a much higher rate of death in the womb.



The decline in infant mortality in 1935 continued to fall due to improved prenatal care and better education of pregnant mothers. The era of nuclear bomb testing which began in 1947, caused a large increase in infant mortality, estimated by Dr. Ernest Sternglass to be one million excess infant deaths, from in-utero exposure to even low levels of ionizing radiation from fission products released into the atmosphere. British radiation expert Dr. Chris Busby, has estimated that the Fukushima disaster has released 1000 times more radiation (as of August 2011), than the peak concentration of nuclear bomb test fission products measured in 1963 at the British govt. radiation lab at Harwell, UK, and 300 Chernobyls he estimated from radiation levels he measured on air filters in Japan. Source: J.M. Gould, E.J. Sternglass et al, “U.S.A. Newborn Deterioration in the Nuclear Age, 1945-1996”, Radiation and Public Health Publications (1998). This was presented at the International Congress on the Effects of Low Dose Ionizing Radiation in Childhood and Youth, in Medicine, Industry and Environment in the Workplace, March 19-21, 1998.

Now we know that is the case from studies that were done by Professor [K. G.] Luning in Sweden in 1963, published in Nature. What Luning did was, he injected male mice with Strontium 90, and then mated them immediately to females. And then those females were allowed to have babies. The babies were then brought semi-halfway to term, and then the mice were sacrificed. And they investigated the number of fetal deaths. And they found there was a significant increase in fetal deaths in the mothers who had been mated to the male mice that had been injected with Strontium 90, [but] interestingly not with Cesium 137, nor the control. So we would expect to have an increase in fetal death in the women who were born around about 1963. I suppose that was a peak. That of course is in agreement with what Leuren is talking about, and what we see after Chernobyl. And of course Chernobyl also would have had these effects. But certainly it is not just the Chernobyl effect. And this would also fit in with the Northern Hemisphere having the highest loss in fertility or the biggest effect. Because, that is where all the weapons-testing was done.


The local (New York City), regional (United States), and global increases of diabetes indicate the impact on human health of nuclear weapons tests. The global diabetes map is clearly a fallout map, and indicates that nuclear pollution was carried primarily from west to east by the jet stream. Source: N.R. Kleinfield “Diabetes and Its Awful Toll Quietly Emerge as a Crisis”, The New York Times (9 January  2006).

If you look at maps of global weapons fallout exposure from the big testing, most of it was in the Northern Hemisphere. And the really big testing was in Novaya Zemlya, in Russia, in the Soviet Union. And that contaminated… the big megaton tests contaminated the Northern Hemisphere much more than the Southern Hemisphere. So that all kind of fits, really. I think it is the radiation.
L. Moret: It is the radiation. And when I began to investigate the excess deaths in the U.S. by region, reported by the Centers for Disease Control after the March 11th Fukushima earthquake and tsunami, I found the same phenomenon. And if you look at the death rates, the increase in death rates since March 11th – by September 3rd more than 34,000 Americans had died. That does not include babies or the unborn [deaths] as a result of Fukushima. These were excess deaths that were unexplained by previous death rates in earlier years.

Data from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reported March 13- Sept. 3, 2011, shows increasing excess deaths for nearly all regions of the US. This very high increase in acute deaths throughout the US, that increases every week, can only be explained by regional environmental contamination from the Fukushima nuclear disaster in Japan. Increases in infant mortality range from 35-45% or higher, and are not included in the map data. Source: Bobby1, “Post-Fukushima Excess Deaths in US Updated for Sept. 3”

And what is interesting is when I looked at the death rate increase by age groups, in the elderly who are over 64 years old today (and 65), and were not exposed in utero to ionizing radiation because they were born at the end of World War II or before, the death rates in the elderly range from 3.6% to 8%. [The] 3.6% [increase] was within the Pacific region of the West Coast, [and] 8% was the mountain region from the Canadian border to the Mexican border that included Nevada, Idaho, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, and then Montana and Wyoming. And because of that mountain region [data] it certainly does confirm that weather and geography are the greatest contributors to environmental contamination from radiation.

Dr. Fetzer: And especially in relation to mountain regions, which tend to hold certain atmospheric pollutants.


Excess deaths due to Fukushima by month (left), and by region and age group (right). The cumulative effect of multiple exposures to ionizing radiation, are indicated by an increase in rates in younger age groups. Source: Bobby1, “Post-Fukushima Excess Deaths in US Updated for Sept. 3”

L. Moret: Yes. So the death rates in the elderly in most of those regions were actually lower than in younger groups [Fig. 16]. So for the 45 to 64 age group, 64 year old group, in the Pacific Region, the Mountain Region, and in East North Central the death rates in the 45 to 64 age group were higher than in the elderly [65 years and older]. The elderly had not been exposed in utero to ionizing radiation, but the 45 to 64 group had gone through bomb testing and also nuclear power. But the biggest shock of all was the West South Central death rates in the 25 to 44 age group. It was 18.7%. It was three times higher than in the elderly [65 years and older], and two or three times higher than the 45 to 64 group [exposed in utero to atmospheric tests].
And the West South Central area is Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas, and Louisiana. Texas has a very high number of bases. Military bases. A lot of the soldiers deployed to the Middle East and Central Asian wars from Texas. When they got out, they came back to Texas, and they were so sick they could not even be in the military anymore. And they tended to stay living around the bases, where they had served from, so that they could get medical disability care. But the death rate increase of 18.7% in the 25 to 44 group certainly has to be explained, and the only explanation I can think of is the cumulative effect of multiple and multi-generational exposures to ionizing radiation.

Dr. Fetzer: The cumulative effects.


The major causes of death in Japan through 1945 were infectious diseases. Antibiotics nearly eliminated deaths from infections. The nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945, introduced nuclear technologies as the major cause of death in Japan after World War II. After 1945, the cumulative impact of nuclear pollution caused increased deaths from cerebrovascular disease, cancer (green line), and heart disease, and replaced infectious diseases as the major cause of death in Japan. Source: Vital Statistics of Japan 2004, Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare, Vol.1, p.67, Fig.4.

L. Moret: Yes.

Dr. Fetzer: Chris, would you like to comment on that before we turn to Fukushima, where I thought I would invite Leuren to give a sketch of her recent research, and then you could elaborate based on the work that went into your new book.

Dr. Busby: Well, yes, I broadly agree with this cohort effect, because I have observed the cohort effect that she is talking about, that Leuren is talking about, in breast cancer in women. And when you prop these by cohorts, by five year cohorts, you can see quite clearly a cohort effect [Fig. 17]. That is to say, increases in incidence rates for breast cancer for those women who were exposed more to the ionizing radiation. And of course, the older women who weren’t exposed, have lower rates. So you can see it quite clearly.

And this particular group of women is aging now and slowly entering the cancer window, if you like to call it that, and I think we are going to see very large increases in cancer rates in these people who were young or born around about the time of the major injections of radionuclides into the atmosphere following weapons fallout.

The thing that worries me, you know, is that nobody is studying it. Of course you have like millions and millions and millions of dollars and pounds put into research into the causes of cancer and the causes of ill health generally, but nobody seems to be allowed to look at these vectors. I mean it is really quite extraordinary. And anyone who does say anything about it, they arejust marginalized and laughed at.

Dr. Fetzer: And of course we are talking about a double phenomenon that is diminishing the population of the world – the greater cancer rate of the elderly, but also the lower reproductive rate of the young.

Dr. Busby: Yes, yes, that is right. And not just cancer, I have to say. We know enough now to know that radiation causes death right across the board. And in fact, that is a very important observation, because if you die of a heart attack, then you are not going to die of cancer. So all of these studies that have been made of groups of people who… you know… retrospective studies are made of groups of people who are exposed, are floored in terms of adjusted cancer endpoints, because many of these people died before they would have got to the age where they would have developed cancer.
Dr. Fetzer: Very important. Very nice [analysis].

Dr. Busby: That is particularly true of the [nuclear] test veterans, incidentally. I am doing a couple of quite major court cases at the moment in the United Kingdom, on nuclear test veterans, and a number of studies have been done on test veterans and the other retrospective studies that have been done on people who were exposed to radium from dial painting, or Thorotrast [thorium dioxide injected into patients from 1931 for higher contrast x-rays] from various treatments. And when you look into it closely, look at these studies, which are always studies of cancer, so they are always looking for a cancer yield in this population. You find that actually enormous numbers of these people died long before they were even recruited into the study group. And so therefore it is a biased study group relative to its control, you know, so the results are just wrong.

Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, would you like to add on to this before we turn to Fukushima and your latest reports on that disaster?

L. Moret: No. No thank you.

Dr. Fetzer: Please then do give us a sketch of the latest on Fukushima, and its consequences for Japan and its population, which I take it from previous observations you have made, may be destined for extinction on an accelerated basis.

L. Moret: Well an article that came out on January 30th in the Daily Mail online is titled “Japanese population set to plummet by 30% over the next 50 years.” And the 128 million population is expected to drop below 87 million by 2060 [a 32% population decline]. Now another alarming thing about that, is that it is the over 65 year olds. The retired population will make up 40% of the population.

Dr. Fetzer: 40% of the population that dies?

L. Moret: 40% of the population will be over 65.

Dr. Fetzer: All right.


Following the Chernobyl disaster in Russia in 1986, surrounding regions in the Ukraine and Belarus were badly contaminated with fresh fission products. The effects were already catastrophic within 5 years, causing birth-rates to decrease below rising death-rates. This foreshadows the effects of the Fukushima disaster on Japan, parts of N. America, and even Europe – already exposed to nuclear fallout from atmospheric tests, nuclear power, and depleted uranium weapons and exotic nuclear weapons in Iraq, Yugoslavia, and Afghanistan. Source: Prof. Y. Bandashevsky, “Non cancer illnesses and conditions in areas of Belarus contaminated by radioactivity from the Chernobyl Accident”, Proceedings of ECRR Conference, Lesvos, Greece, May 5-6, 2009, Fig. 4.

L. Moret: And so what that is saying, is exactly what Chris and I have been talking about. There is no replacement population… very low replacement population. So they are worried about the retirement funds, and the bulging social security costs, which are rising by £8.3 billion (British pounds) [$13.03 billion] every year. I don’t think they should be worrying about that. I think they should be worrying about whether the population is going to even survive.

Dr. Fetzer: And of course we are talking about an island nation. And so in terms of genetic drift, because it is a relatively isolated population from external interaction, you are going to have the contamination spread, from the portion of the population that is already suffering acute genetic effects from Fukushima, throughout the rest of the population.

L. Moret: Well the fertility rate last year in Japan was 1.39 children per couple. It has got to be higher than 2.08 to keep the population from shrinking.

Dr. Fetzer: Yes.

L. Moret: And all this radiation in Japan guarantees that fertility rate is going to drop even more in the years ahead.

Dr. Fetzer: So if we project a hundred years hence we are going to find the Japanese population, what, maybe 20 or 30% of what it is today?

L. Moret: Well yes, and then it is genetically, you know, there is just tremendous genetic damage. So you have the replacement population that is being born, or the young population that is being born is also mentally damaged, so the productivity, the vitality, I mean a culture survives on the power of its ideas. So when you brain-damage the whole population, even fifty or a hundred years from now what’s left?


The catastrophic decline in Scholastic Aptitude Test (S.A.T.) scores in the US, from a high of 480 for children born in 1945 (yr. of birth on curve), to a low of 425 for children born in 1963, occurred at the 1963 peak of US nuclear bomb tests. The S.A.T. scores for US teenagers (year of high school S.A.T. testing at bottom of graph) never recovered from a 12.5% decline between 1945-1963, because nuclear power plant radioactive emissions replaced nuclear bomb radioactive pollution (1). A WHO world survey reported that the US now has the highest rate of mental illness (26%) in the world, part of the legacy of the nuclear age (2). Source: (1) Sternglass, E.J., S. Bell, “Fallout and SAT Scores: Evidence for Cognitive Damage During Early Infancy”, Phi Delta Kappan, April 1983, pp.539-545; and (2) “Prevalence, Severity, and Unmet Need for Treatment of Mental Disorders in the World Health Organization World Mental Health Surveys, The WHO World Mental Health Survey Consortium, Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), Vol. 291 No. 21, June 2, 2004: 2581-2590.

Dr. Fetzer: Well that is really quite stunning because Japan has been a source of a great deal of creativity and engineering, not only in the area of automobiles, but also in electronics and televisions and all that. I mean most Americans like myself have their best television, is in this case a Toshiba, you know it is a “made in Japan” product.
L. Moret: Well the Japanese culture is very, very, traditionally resourceful, creative. The vitality is just tremendous. What I have always referred to Japan [as being] after 20 speaking tours in Japan since the year 2000, [is a technologically advanced indigenous culture]. I went all over Japan warning about a disaster like Fukushima. I predicted it in the Japan Times in 2004 [Editor’s Note: see “Japan’s Deadly Game of Nuclear Roulette,” May 23, 2004]. I am not predicting anything ever again because I don’t want it to come true. It is just a tremendously vital population and culture. It is not going to be the same.

Dr. Fetzer: And your predictions were based upon your assessment of the quality of engineering, the state of the nuclear industry in Japan, even independent from the level and influence from external sources such as Israel.

L. Moret: Oh, no, it was the tremendous danger of large magnitude earthquakes.

Dr. Fetzer: Yes, the earthquake phenomenon because they constructed so many of these plants on faults.

L. Moret: Right on faults, yes. And it is one of the most tectonically active regions in the world. It has like 0.25 % [exactly 0.3%] of the land surface and it has got over 10% of the earth’s major earthquakes.


This map of Japan, annotated by Japanese nuclear engineer Mr. Kikuchi, shows the four tectonic plates colliding under Japan, areas of high (“observed region”) and very high (“specially observed”) quake risk, and the sites of 54 nuclear reactors in Japan.
Source: L. Moret, “Japan’s deadly game of nuclear roulette”, Japan Times (23 May 2004)

Dr. Fetzer: I understand that there is a major nuclear plant that the Russians helped design in Iran, but they are reluctant to turn on, because it is located in the vicinity of three fault lines. I can’t believe that they would ever have constructed it there if this information is correct.

L. Moret: Well an awful lot of the U.S. nuclear plants, and the Army Corps of Engineers dams, were absolutely, deliberately built on faults.

Dr. Fetzer: Why would that be done? Leuren, it seems so incredibly stupid and short-sighted.

L. Moret: Well, since it is consistent in every country, it looks like another form of nuclear war to me, because all they have to do is put the Stuxnet virus on a USB stick, and stick it in an operating system, and you have another Fukushima anywhere you want it.
Dr. Fetzer: Do you believe the Stuxnet was used in Fukushima?

L. Moret: Absolutely. It was in the newspaper. They discovered the Stuxnet virus in October of 2010 in Japan. It was in 72 computers.

Dr. Fetzer: And the Israelis were retaliating because Japan was standing up for an independent Palestine.

L. Moret: No, no, the CIA did it. No, the CIA did IT. And the Israelis have just been used as a delivery system in Iran at Natanz and Bushehr, or wherever it happened there. And they had a security company, an Israeli security company from Dimona, which is where their nuclear project is, in Japan at Fukushima in September. And then the Stuxnet virus shows up in Japan one month later.

Dr. Fetzer: What was the motivation of the CIA.? You see I can understand so clearly why Israel, which is an Old Testament nation, after all, a God of Revenge might retaliate against Japan for supporting the Palestinian state, but why would the CIA be involved?
L. Moret: Well first of all the British intelligence MI6 created the CIA, they created the FBI, and they created the Mossad. And so, all of those three intelligence agencies are actually working for the British. So this goes back to the bankers.

Now the financiers like to be involved in mining projects, to get mineral resources that they can sell at high prices, because a lot of countries don’t have a lot of minerals. And so they make money off of regions that are in transition, from under-developed countries to developed countries. And what they are doing now is they are “dumping” the Western economies, Europe, Japan, and the U.S., and they are “pumping” China.

And the biggest mining projects in the world, planned for the next hundred years, are in Southeast Asia, and Haiti, the Caribbean, and Norway – Tromso Norway, and Turkey. So these regions, being mined by the Eurasian mineral company, which is part of the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, the Wall Street and London bankers, are areas that are targeted for genocide and depopulation, as well as mining development, and plundering, actually. And they make these countries so weak, that they cannot resist the plundering by these financiers. And then the financiers sell those minerals to… can you imagine how much money they are going to make on China developing? All the copper, the iron, all these minerals they are going to sell to China…

Dr. Fetzer: Well just to express a note of dissent, everything I know about the development of the CIA or of the Mossad suggests that they were indigenous to those populations. I mean there is quite a history of the CIA in the United States. I am therefore not inclined to the same point of view you have expressed about those entities as being creations of MI5 and MI6, but that is certainly an interesting suggestion.

L. Moret: The FBI was created in 1918 or 1919, no, when it was created, the same year the contract for the Federal Reserve was signed.


Photo of J. Edgar Hoover in 1924 (1), who was descended from African slaves belonging to the Hoover family in Pike County, Mississippi (2), and was arrested twice as an adult for homosexual activities, which as head of the FBI he was able to cover up. His deep hatred for blacks and homosexuals launched the FBI’s COINTELPRO (Counter-Intelligence Program) which targeted civil rights groups and leaders, and harassed homosexuals (2). Controlled by his gambling habits and homosexuality through blackmail by Meyer Lansky and the mafia (who worked for the British), Hoover in turn blackmailed U.S. Presidents with their sex exploits and was able to remain in charge of the FBI from 1924-72 (2,3). He was deeply involved with Ian Fleming and Sir W. Stephenson, in charge of British Intelligence in the US and headquartered in Rockefeller Center (3). At that time, British intelligence was setting up extensive drug distribution networks by the mafia, using prohibition in Canada and the US (4). Hoover protected the British drug distributors – by denying the existence of organized crime in the US. Hoover’s entire career was dedicated to “protection” – his own job, and Dope, Inc. drug activities in N. America. Source: (1) photo –; (2) E. Spannaus, “The Mysterious Origins of J. Edgar Hoover”, American Almanac, August 2000; “J. Edgar Hoover: Biography” at (3) H.M. Hyde, Room 3603, Farrar Straus and Co. (1962); (4) U.S. Labor Party Investigating Team, Dope, Inc.: Britain’s Opium War Against the US, 1978.

Dr. Fetzer: Yes, but we have, you know, there is a history there of the Pinkertons and all that, the Treasury Department and the origin of the FBI. Actually there is a halfway decent film out, with Leonardo DiCaprio playing the role of J. Edgar Hoover, that is fairly good on this aspect of it. [Editor’s Note: “J. Edgar,” released Nov. 2012, directed by Clint Eastwood]. But that is incidental to the key issues we are talking about.

We want to continue with Fukushima after our final break, which we will take now. This is Jim Fetzer, your host on “The Real Deal” with my very special guests today, Leuren Moret and Dr. Christopher Busby. We’ll be right back.


Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Real Deal, concluding my conversation with Leuren Moret, an independent geoscientist, who has done expert studies on Fukushima, and Dr. Christopher Busby, a visiting Biomedical Studies Professor at the University of Ulster, who has done a lot of quite brilliant work discovering the use of enriched uranium in Iraq, especially in Fallujah. Chris, let me turn to you to talk a bit about your new work, your new book about Japan. Tell us the title of the book and when it might become available.

Dr. Busby: It is only in Japanese.

Dr. Fetzer: Only in Japanese!

Dr. Busby: So far as the Japanese book is concerned, that is going to come out some time in June. And we haven’t really thought up a title yet. But I have written a book, or at least I have edited a book, on Fukushima already, called Fukushima and Health, What To Expect. And that was released in October or November. [Editor’s Note: Please see the European Committee on Radiation Risk (ECRR) overview page for Fukushima and Health here, the pdf download page here, and the download link here]. And essentially it derives from the International Conference of the European Committee on Radiation Risk (ECRR), who I represent, which was carried out in Lesvos in Greece in 2009. And that conference was aimed at looking at the Chernobyl accident in relation to the risk model for radioactivity.

And of course when Fukushima happened I was putting those conference proceedings together and it occurred to us all that if you want to know what was going to happen at Fukushima, and to the Japanese population, you had only to look at what had already happened and what was reported by all of the ex-Soviet scientists who came to this conference, about twenty eminent scientists who came and discussed the health effects of Chernobyl. And we heard from people about genetic damage, and psychological effects, and IQ effects, and heart disease, and sex ratio changes, and of course cancer. A whole range of terrible effects which followed from Chernobyl, and defined an error in the risk model of the ICRP (International Committee on Radiation Protection), which is the risk model which is being used to limit exposures in Fukushima, quite wrongly of course. So that is what that book is about. It is about Fukushima and Health and What to Expect. You can order it on Amazon. But it does show all of these things that Leuren was talking about, that will occur in the Japanese population. Particularly nasty things to do with IQ and psychological problems that they will have, and heart disease and so on.

Dr. Fetzer: And the Japanese have historically have had one of the highest average intelligence of any population in the world.

Dr. Busby: Well these radioactivity exposures, these radiation exposures cause massive changes in mentation, and the ability to think, and so on. And this is not the only study that has shown that. There were studies made by a number of researchers, one in Norway, of children who were exposed to weapons fallout, and…

Dr. Fetzer: So they affect neuronal structure and synaptic connections.

Dr. Busby: Yes, they just reduce general ability. And of course, you know, this means that the economic power of the country that gets exposed will be destroyed or certainly reduced. And also the other thing in the Japanese book will be the results of my own researches in Fukushima, where I have measured now radionuclides in car air filters, in at least 18 vehicle air filters from all over Fukushima prefecture, and local prefectures also. And down as far as Chiba, and in Tokyo also. And we have been able to use these analyses, these gamma ray spectral analyses of these car filters, to show how much of the radioactivity was in the air.


This map is the careful work of Professor Yukio Hayakawa from Gunma University in Japan, indicating the contours, routes, and timing of dispersion of radioactive contamination from the March 11, 2011, Fukushima nuclear disaster.  Within 10 days of the Fukushima earthquake and tsunami on March 11, 2011, a large area of Japan was already contaminated with high levels of fission products not reported to the public.  By March 15, contamination (dark yellow) had reached the mountainous Nagano region of western Japan, and to the south west (dark orange).  By March 20 contamination (dark blue) had moved to the northeast of Fukushima.  By March 21 contamination (bright pink) reached south through Chiba into Tokyo.  Another plume (turquoise) moved northeast offshore before contaminating the Sendai region.  Within 10 days of the Fukushima disaster on March 11, a large part of Japan was already contaminated with high levels of fission products, not reported to the public.   Source: Prof. Yukio Hayakawa, Gunma University, Japan

And interestingly, we were leaked a document from the DOE [United States Department of Energy], a very large document, showing the measurements that were made by the United States Department of Energy [DOE] of various sites in Japan, and as far as I know not released to anybody, which entirely confirms what we found in the car filters.

Right from the beginning, the DOE was measuring radionuclides on the embassy roof in Tokyo, and also at various other sites using portable high volume air samplers. And we have all of these results.

Dr. Fetzer: You are telling me that the Department of Energy [DOE] of the United States is already well aware of the devastating consequences of these exposures to radiation, many of which are actually deliberately delivered by American military systems. And yet they keep…

Dr. Busby: They certainly measured them. They certainly measured the material, and we have the results of those measurements that were made. And they knew early on that very large amounts of radionuclides were getting to Tokyo [Fig. 22], and nobody said anything at all about it, as I recall.

Dr. Fetzer: Yes, it is like Christie Whitman, as the head of the EPA after 9/11, reporting that all the “air was just fine to breath” when it was filled with all kinds of toxic substances, heavy metals and the like. It was a disgusting display of irresponsibility by the government for political reasons exclusively.

Dr. Busby: Well there seems to be a kind of plate glass barrier between the people and governments now, all over the world. The governments do one thing, and the people are kept in the dark. And nowhere is this more obvious than in Japan where people are now being sacrificed to the “god of nuclear power.” There is no other way of putting it, really.

Dr. Fetzer: And you heard my sketch before, that the real reason it appears for wanting to attack Iran has nothing to do with nuclear weapons, but has to do with their development of, you know, the radioactive fuel rods that are necessary to maintain nuclear power plants, and where the Iranians threaten to undercut the market for the American nuclear power industry and roughly run them out of business, which is another example of the false ideology of “free enterprise” and “free markets” and “welcoming competition.”


Zbigniew Brzezinski’s map of the global geopolitical grand chessboard, with the “south” region –Egypt, the Middle East, Central Asia and India – designated as the primary area of interest to US geostrategic imperatives.  The US-British hidden agenda is for control of energy supplies from this region supplying energy for Asia, through American-dominated security of the Persian Gulf. Source: Z. Brzezinski, The Grand Chessboard (1997).

Dr. Busby: Well yes, sure, that is an interesting take on it. My own feeling is that Iran is just the “next enemy” you know, having sewn up the Middle East. And a lot of this is done on behalf of the Israelis, as far as I can see, and Iran is the next big enemy. I mean they are taking down Syria now with a load of false flag operations, and with similar sorts of attacks to the ones that brought down Gaddafi. And so the next big power block in the Middle East is Iran.  And I think they just want to take over Iran so that they control all the oil reserves in the Middle East without anybody there to saber rattle against them.

Dr. Fetzer: I can’t believe that Russia and China would allow Iran to go down. I just cannot believe it. I find it difficult to believe that Syria could even stand a serious risk given the relationships between Syria, Iran, and Russia. It seems to me that this is terrib


The latest stage of pipeline wars in Central Asia involve Iran, and the usual overt and covert measures used in war, including nuclear weapons.  Following a carefully choreographed dance of geopolitical and geostrategic forces, it will be the most dangerous phase of the “blood bankers” war to control the Middle East and Central Asian energy resources.  The sand in the wheels of the military, will come from the unpredictable reactions of involved dictators, when they realize they have been double-crossed by the Zionist Anglo-American permanent war crimes racketeering syndicate (2).  No matter how many computer simulations, war games to model the human psyche, using complex logarithms to predict human behavior, the military cannot model or predict the power of the human spirit.  People fighting for their lives, engaged in spiritual warfare, have defeated the greatest armies throughout history.  Source:   (1) Map: Lebanon Knights blogspot, “Smashing Greater Central Asia – Part IV”, December 31, 2011.; (2) J.C. Masterman, The Double-Cross System: In the War of 1939 to 1945, Avon (1972).

Dr. Busby: I kind of agree with you. But it doesn’t seem to stop the United States doing this, you know. And I think ultimately one has to almost rely on the sanity of the ex-Soviet Union, you know, and hope that they will not…

Dr. Fetzer: Yes, I regard Vladimir Putin as the last best barrier against World War III!

Dr. Busby: Yes.

L. Moret: I think he is the only sane world leader left, and you don’t see the [ex-] Soviets using their nuclear weapons everywhere in the world. And not only that, the U.S. HAS been using nuclear weapons. These are called battlefield tactical nukes. Five kilotons and under is not included in the Comprehensive Nuclear Test-Ban Treaty.


Dr. Fetzer: Isn’t that incredible.

L. Moret: And, the mini-nukes are not under presidential control. They are under the control of the battlefield commanders.

Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, I once had a conversation with Doug Rokke, who I gather used to pilot B-52?s. I talked to him about how given they were using these weapons that were causing massive genetic damage.  Why would the United States go ahead and use them? He just replied, he said “from the military point of view they are the most effective weapon.” And when I said, “Are they contemplating the long term consequences and genetic damage?” and he said, “Absolutely not, they don’t care.”

L. Moret: They don’t care.

Dr. Fetzer: They just use these weapons because they are the best weapons to perform a certain task.

L. Moret: They have two jobs. The military… as a Marine officer you know that, the military has two jobs: to destroy things and kill people.

Dr. Fetzer: Well, listen, the Marine Corps may have been more enlightened in my day. I never heard such an attitude from any Marine Corps officer as I was hearing from Doug Rokke about the Air Force, and the use of these bombs that were going to have these catastrophic effects. And I want to ask you too is it just stupidity and ignorance on the part of the highest level leaders, that they don’t know enough about evolution and ecology that they go about polluting and destroying the human genome? I mean this is stunning!

Dr. Busby: This is not where they live. It is like Leuren said, the end justifies the means. I mean, everybody has a job in this game, and their job is to win the war.

L. Moret: And it is to follow orders.

Dr. Busby: And it is to win the war without losing too many of their troops at the time of the war. If they have a weapon that will enable them to do that, and if they can use it, they will use it. It is as simple as that. They don’t really think in terms of genomic instability, and the effects on populations, and all the rest of that stuff. It is not in their mindset. It is not what they think about.

Dr. Fetzer: It is as though the highest level leaders of these countries are massively ignorant, or are willingly malicious. I mean it is going to eventually threaten them and their children, their progeny too.

L. Moret: It is illogical and we can never explain it with logic. It is illogical. I have met so many retired officers who were turned into contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan. And one of them I was speaking to at an event in Hawaii, and he came up to me and he said “Oh darn! Well I am going back to Iraq because I have unfinished business.” He said “My sick son, I made him go to Iraq. He is out in the car. He is too upset about what he might hear from you to come in and listen, but I am taking him back too.” And I said, “You are killing your own son.” He said, “But I have got unfinished work to do in Iraq.” In other words, he meant to make more money for Blackwater. But I want to, before our interview ends, I just want to present some information that I got from a mid-wife on Long Island.

Dr. Fetzer: Sure.

L. Moret: On the effects of Fukushima that she is seeing in the pregnant mothers and newborns.

Dr. Fetzer: Effects of Fukushima in Long Island?

L. Moret: On Long Island.

Dr. Fetzer: Amazing.

L. Moret: She said her patients are totally unaware. She said they have had an epidemic of twinning in the past year. She is a midwife. She said that she has had three sets of twins recently, and she said that she almost never has them. Three sets in one year was just astounding to her. [Editor’s note: U.S. twin births have doubled in three decades.]

She said that also diabetes in pregnant mothers is epidemic. She said the normal rate is one out of 50 pregnancies, the pregnant mother will develop gestational diabetes. That means as a result of being pregnant. She said now, in the last year, that has increased to three to four cases out of ten mothers. In other words, thirty to forty out of [a hundred], instead of one in fifty, it is fifteen to twenty out of fifty, almost half of the mothers. She said it does disappear after birth, but it puts the mother and the baby at additional health risks in future years.

What I have been seeing is an epidemic globally of conjoined twinning, which… these are what we would call Siamese Twins. It is an epidemic in animals and in humans, and it corresponds to the monsoon rainout pattern globally.


With the introduction of depleted uranium and small tactical nukes in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Lebanon, and Palestine, a global conjoined twin epidemic in humans and animals began in 1990.  A similar epidemic occurred in the US during nuclear weapons testing (1953-1963), with the yearly number of conjoined twins born correlating with the annual total kiloton of testing.  A similar pattern has been reported since 1990 globally in the shadow of the monsoon rainout patterns, with a large increase since the US and British introduced exotic nuclear weapons attacks to Afghanistan in 2001-2.  Source: Leuren Moret, Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Complaint for Iraq, 2009.

Dr. Fetzer: Oh God.

L. Moret: It is just an epidemic.  And we had a huge epidemic of conjoined twinning in the United States during the period of bomb testing.

Low birth rate and high birth rate are also caused by radiation exposure in utero. And she said just three weeks ago – she was having low birth weight and high birth weight babies both – and she said just three weeks ago she had a baby born that was five pounds, eleven ounces, and she has had babies as big as ten pounds, nine pounds and ten ounces, ten pounds.  And now I am getting articles out of the newspaper that fourteen and fifteen pound babies are being born in the U.S.


Three babies born recently are the largest babies born in their countries.  Most high birth-weight babies are born to obese or diabetic mothers, and are not healthy babies.  They appear to be normal, but are bloated and at higher risk of future health issues and diabetes.  Each of these babies is 2-3 times heavier than normal newborns, probably the result of multiple exposures to ionizing radiation in their birth families.  Since this is a recent global phenomenon, an environmental cause is indicated. Source: Leuren Moret, Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Complaint, 2009.

Dr. Fetzer: Fourteen and fifteen pounds, those are enormous.

L. Moret: These babies are not healthy babies. They are born bloated. They are bloated. They are not normal babies.

Dr. Fetzer: And of course all the contaminants in the mother’s body are going to filter down to the fetus and affect its development.

L. Moret: And then it is in the nursing milk. The mother’s milk. And she said that the maternal obesity is so bad that one doctor she knows has a scale outside his office in the hall. And if you are over 250 pounds he will not take you as a patient.

Dr. Fetzer: And of course these consequences are turning out to be global because all of this contamination is being spread globally.

L. Moret: Yes, and for instance in South America four of the presidents of South America or former presidents have cancer. Two presidents including Lula of Brazil and the present president who is a woman, Hugo Chavez is dying, he will probably not even survive the election in the fall. He has cut back on his chemotherapy so that he can perform his duty as president.

Dr. Fetzer: I had supposed he was targeted, but you are suggesting possibly not.

L. Moret: Fidel Castro told him he was targeted. No, I mean Fidel Castro told him he was targeted. He said the U.S….

Dr. Fetzer: I am sure he was targeted.

L. Moret: Yes, they couldn’t kill him, they couldn’t assassinate him.

Dr. Fetzer: The U.S. developed a rapid acting cancer as long ago as in New Orleans in 1963. Lee Harvey Oswald was even involved in that.

L. Moret: Well that [“CIA cancer”] is what they killed Jackie Onassis (Kennedy) with.

Dr. Fetzer: Well Jack Ruby appears to have been killed that way. Not Jackie, I have not heard that suggestion.

L. Moret: Yes, she found a lump in her groin in December and she was dead by April. And she was a young, healthy woman.

Dr. Fetzer: Relatively young, yes.

L. Moret: Yes. And Christina Fernandez who is the president of Argentina just had her thyroid removed.

Dr. Fetzer: But are you finding the same birth defects down in South America that we are up here.

L. Moret: Oh, absolutely, the conjoined…

Dr. Fetzer: It is not a Northern and Southern Hemisphere distinction.

L. Moret: No, the conjoined twinning pattern in South America is on the west slope of the Andes, which go north and south on the west side of South America, the Andes mountain chain. And that is where there is very high snow out and rainout of the radiation coming across the Pacific.

Dr. Fetzer: It used to be a wonderful thing, but now it is turning into a disaster because of the contamination.

L. Moret: Yes, and so there is conjoined twinning in Chile, in Peru, in Bolivia, in Brazil, in Dominica, one of the islands in the Caribbean, other islands in the Caribbean, in Guatemala.  We have it in the U.S., in Canada… this is rainout patterns of monsoons, because I have the global maps of monsoon rainout. Across Africa, Southeast Asia, there is one island in Indonesia that had 19 conjoined twins in one year.

Dr. Fetzer: Well it has to be the case that the DOE and DoD are well aware of this so that the American government is well aware of it.  The CIA and other intelligence agencies, the NSA, they would have to all be aware of this.

L. Moret: Well of course. Of course.

Dr. Fetzer: It is appalling. Chris, please give us some reflections on what in the world we are doing putting ourselves out of existence as a species. It is so short-sighted. It is so incredibly stupid I can hardly believe it is happening, but the reality appears to be that we are already so far gone that it appears to me that it is probably irreversible.

Dr. Busby: Yes, well, time to head for the hills, it seems to me. [Laughter]. I have to say.

L. Moret: That is the worst place to go. Head for the desert! [Laughter].

Dr. Busby: In my case, I am from the generation just before the first atomic bombs, so my genes are chromium-plated [laughter].

Dr. Fetzer: Mine too, mine too, or were until I lost my prostrate, but there we go. Tell us Chris what do you see, I mean, this looks like…

Dr. Busby: I don’t know about alL… you know I listen to what Leuren said, and I am sure it is all true. I haven’t studied it, but from what I have seen, and I have said this before, it is certainly true that we are destroying the fertility of the human race and most of the living systems on earth.  And when I say “We” I really don’t mean me, and I don’t mean you, and I don’t mean Leuren.

I mean there are people who are doing these things and the reasons why they are doing them are pretty obscure and fairly crazy. And it doesn’t seem that we can do anything to stop them. But I think that… like what I came in with right at the beginning, unless there is some way in which we can put a new ideology in place of the current market forces-driven chaos I don’t think that there is anything that anybody will cling to that the people can actually embrace and say “Well, this is what we want to have.” And so in the absence of any such ideology, we will have business as usual, and the entire living system will slowly go down the toilet.

Dr. Fetzer: It seems to me that a lot of this has to do with the fact that the business and military types, for example, very typically have inadequate educations, especially in relation to scientific subjects, including perhaps, particularly early biology.  And the comprehension of evolution and its ramifications is almost negligible among leaders of the United States.

Dr. Busby: Yes, I think so, but we can step back from that one step, you know, because I think that one aspect of human politics, if you would like to call it history, which has not really been looked at very closely, is personality. Now we all know that different people have different personalities. In fact it is quite easy to type these personalities. There have been various systems of personality typing. But what is clear to me is that the people who are in control are the last people who ought to be in control. And until somebody develops an ideology that prevents mad people from getting to the top, then we will just have the same history again and again and again and again. You have only got to look at the major leaders in history and even in recent history, to see that the people who are in charge are flawed and arrogant and irresponsible.

L. Moret: Psychopaths.

Dr. Busby: And insecure, and all of these things. So it seems to me it can’t be difficult, it can’t be impossible to devise a political ideology or a political system that does not permit people like that to choose themselves, and put themselves up for office, so that people vote for them.

L. Moret: I would like to give a few examples of the new future that we have to look forward to.

Dr. Fetzer: Yes, yes.


A two-headed lamb was born on the West Bank of Palestine in October 2008 (1), followed by the first conjoined twins born in Palestine in March of 2010 (2).  These birth defects in animals and humans, followed a period of Israeli attacks on Lebanon (2006) and on Gaza (2008-9), with depleted uranium DIME, and the use of nuclear weapons in Lebanon which contaminated Israel.  When phenomena occur both in humans and animals it is usually an environmental cause.  The Israeli population is also suffering a drastic decline in fertility and birth rates, indicating that the regional population and food supplies have also been contaminated.  The continual exposure to nuclear materials from Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, over a protracted period of time since the Iraq war started in 1990 has now damaged the genome of all living things in the region as well.  The genocidal agenda of recent events has exposed the real nature of conflicts today as wars by governments against their own people. Source: (1) (2) VIDEO: P. Eyre, “Gaza’s first Siamese Twins – What are their chances?”  Palestine Telegraph, April 9, 2010.

L. Moret: A lamb born in a village in Georgia in Russia with six legs. Two kittens born in England… Hampshire… with 54 toes between the two of them. And pigs now born all over China with horrible birth defects. I have an article right in front of me with a photo. The farmers had to teach a young pig how to walk on its front two legs because it doesn’t have any back legs. This is the world that is coming, emerging now.


As the monsoon rains out the radioactive dust and particles from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan across China, it has created the “Silk Road” esophegal cancer epidemic as well as many birth defects reported in babies and animals.  Radiation deposited in the environment depends on two things – geography and weather.  Even the farthest corners of the world cannot protect the global population from exposure to the covert nuclear wars raging since 1990.

Source: “Hamstand: ‘Gymnast’ piglet born without hind legs learns to walk on two front trotters”, 28 November 2011.

Dr. Fetzer: Of course the human genetic abnormalities are simply stunning and horrifying.

L. Moret: And the Emperor of Japan has been in the hospital in November and December and also the little Crown Princess who is only ten with radiation-related illnesses. So…

Dr. Fetzer: Probably from Fukushima or earlier?

L. Moret: Fukushima.

Dr. Busby: Oh yes sure, the Fukushima effects are manifest in the population, particularly heart attacks.

L. Moret: And they kept flying the Emperor and Empress in a helicopter at low altitude up to Fukushima to do photo ops, and they were flying through heavy [nuclear pollution]…


Radiation respects no borders, no religion, and no socioeconomic class.  It is an equal opportunity killer.  Even the Emperor his grandaughter, the young daughter of the Crown Prince and Princess, have been affected by exposure to the Fukushima radiation contaminating every part of Japan.  They both spent part of November in the hospital.

Source: “Japan’s Emperor, Empress, Visit Quake’s Hardest-Hit Areas”, 27 April  2011.

Dr. Fetzer: Heavy contamination. How incredibly stupid.

L. Moret: Heavily contaminated air masses all the way to Fukushima and back. Not just once, but a number of times.

Dr. Fetzer: Well Leuren and Chris, I can’t thank you enough for being here. We have only a minute or two to add one final thought or two from each of you. Leuren, would you like to add a remark?

L. Moret: Yes. What species kills its young for energy? What species kills its young for security? What species kills its young for domination?

Dr. Fetzer: Chris Busby?

Dr. Busby: Well if any Martian historians came here in the future on their flying saucers and looked to see what would happen, they wouldn’t believe it.

Dr. Fetzer: [Voice heavy with emotion]. This is Jim Fetzer, saying thank you to my guests and all of you for listening.


Jim Fetzer, McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth, is a former Marine Corps officer and the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

Leuren Moret is an independent geoscientist who has done expert studies on the Fukushima disaster, radiation problems around the world including depleted uranium.

Dr. Christopher Busby is a visiting biomedical studies professor at the University of Ulster and is the co-author of reports about the effects of enriched uranium in Iraq especially in Fallujah.