See also:
– Exposed: The Truth About Israel’s Land Grab In The West Bank (The Independent)
Israel calls this self-defense:
(Click on image to enlarge. Can’t show this often enough.)
Does this look like self-defense???
Added: 15. July 2010
The Washington Post, and Glenn Kessler, have picked up the story that Netanyahu said that “America is a thing that can be easily moved,” back in 2001. Good to have this knowledge inside the Beltway at last.
Below is a transcript of the Second-Intifadah era conversation, supplied by Dena Shunra, a Hebrew<>English translator living and working in the United States. Note that Netanyahu quotes his extremist father counseling him to give up 2 percent of Hebron (during the Wye negotiations) so as to maintain the Jewish settlements there and get people off Israel’s back. And note that Netanyahu’s defiance about American opinion extends to the whole world. When his interlocutor asks about world opinion re continued conquest/settlement, he says, “The world won’t say a thing. The world will say we’re defending.”
Shunra: “I went from 3:15 to about 8:00 – the rest wasn’t very interesting.
“Background: Netanyahu is visiting the home of a woman who just lost her husband, and she is being cheered by five other widows. There’s a young boy present, and Netanyahu asks (at about 3:00) that they turn off the camera so he can speak to them ‘freely’. The camera gets turned on again in mid-conversation.”
Transcript follows:
3:15
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Netanyahu: Are you starting to understand what the slogan “Judea and Samaria are right here”? What does Arafat want? He wants one big settlement. It’s called “Tel Aviv”. |
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???: ??. ?? ?? ?????, ???? ??? ???????, ?????. “?? ??-???? ??? ???????.” |
Woman: Yes, that’s what my daughter in law, who comes from England, that what she says: “Tel Aviv is a settlement too.” |
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???: ???????, ?????, ?? ???? ????????????? ???? ?? ????. |
Netanyahu: As far as they’re concerned, I think, our territorial waters are also their? |
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[inaudible] |
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Netanyahu: The fact is that they want us in the sea, yes, but over there in the sea [points aside]. The Arabs are currently focusing a war of terror and they think it will break us. The main thing, first of all, is to hit them. Not just one hit, so many painful its that the price will be to heavy to be borne. The price is not too heavy to be borne, now. A broad attack on the Palestinian Authority. To bring them to the point of being afraid that everything is collapsing. |
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????: ?? ?? ??????, ?? ?????? ?????. ?? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ?????… |
Woman: They’re not afraid, they’re making fun of us. They shoot into our settlement and make fun of us. |
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????: ??? ????? ??????. ?? ?? ????? ???? ?… (????? ??????) |
Netanyahu: Fear that everything is collapsing. That’s what leads them to… [makes a hand motion] |
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????: ???, ??? ?? ??? ??? ????? ???? ?? ??? ??????? |
Woman: wait a moment, but then the world will say “how come you’re conquering again?” |
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????: ?????, ????? ?? ???? ????. ????? ???? ?????? ?????. |
Netanyahu: the world won’t say a thing. The world will say we’re defending. |
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????: ??? ?? ???? ??????, ????? |
Woman: Aren’t you afraid of the world, Bibi? |
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????: ?????? ????, ?? ??????. ??? ???? ?? ?? ??????. ?????? ?? ??? ????? ????? ???? ?????. ????? ?????? ?????. |
Netanyahu: Especially today, with America. I know what America is. America is something that can easily be moved. Moved to the right correction. |
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???: ?? ?????? ??? ?????, ???, ?????… |
Child: They say they’re for us, but, it’s like… |
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????: ?? ?? ?????? ???. ?? ?????? ???. |
Netanyahu: They won’t get in our way. They won’t get in our way. |
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???: ??? ???, ?? ????? ????? ???? ????, ?? ??… |
Child: On the other hand, if we do some something, then they… |
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????: ?? ???? ??? ?????? ????. ?? ??????… ????! 80 ???? ?????????? ?????? ???. ?? ??????. ?? ??? ?? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? “?? ???? ?? ???…” ????, ????? ???? ??? ???-??????? ????? ???????. ?? ????? ????? ??. ?? ????? ?????? ?? ???????. ?? ????? ?????? ?? ???”?. ???? ??? ??? ???? ?? ?????, ?? ???? ?? ??? ???? ?? ?????. ????? ?????. |
Netanyahu: So let’s say they say something. So they said it! They said it! 80% of the Americans support us. It’s absurd. We have that kind of support and we say “what will we do with the…” look. That administration was extremely pro-Palestinian. I wasn’t afraid to maneuver there. I was not afraid to clash with Clinton. I was not afraid to clash with the United Nations. I was paying the price anyway, I preferred to receive the value. Value for the price. |
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???: ?????… ???? ????? ??? ?????, ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ?????, ?? ?? ?? ????? ??? ???? ?????. |
Child: But never mind that we gave them things, and we can’t take them back. Because they won’t give them back to us. |
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????: (???? ????): ???? ??, ???? ?? ????? ?? ????? – ??? ????. ?’, ??? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?? ?? ????. |
Netanyahu (holds his and to stop him from speaking): first of all, first of all Oslo is a system – you’re right. A, I don’t know what can be taken and can’t be taken. |
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???: ?? ?? ???? ?????????, ????? ??. |
Woman: he has political opinions, believe me. |
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????: ??? ????. |
Netanyahu: He’s right. |
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???: ??? ??? ????? ???? ????? ???? ????? ??: ?? ?? – ?? ?? ??? ?? ???. ????? ????? ?? ????. |
Woman: He said such things to Arik Sharonthat I told him: that’s not – that’ not a child’s opinion. The Oslo Accords are a disaster. |
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????: ??, ?? ?? ?? ????? ???? ?????. |
Netanyahu: Yes. You know that and I knew that. |
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???: ???, ?? ????? ?… |
Woman: Fine, so I thought that… |
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????: ???? ???? ????. |
Netanyahu: The people [nation] has to know. |
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???: ????. ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ???, ???? ???? ??? ???, ??????, ?? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ????? ????? ?… |
Woman: Right. But I thought that the prime minister did know, and that he’d do everything so that, somehow, not to do critical things, like handing over Hebron, that… |
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????: ?? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ????? – ????? ????, ????? ???????: ??? ??????” ?????: “??, ???? ??????? ?????? ???????.” “??? ??? ??? ????? ?? ????????” ??? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ????? 67′. ??? ????? ?? ??? |
Netanyahu: What were the Oslo Accords? The Oslo Accords, which the Knesset signed, I was asked, before the elections: “Will you act according to them?” and I answered: “yes, subject to mutuality and limiting the retreats.” “But how do you intend to limit the retreats?” “I’ll give such interpretation to the Accords that will make it possible for me to stop this galloping to the ’67 [armistice] lines. How did we do it? |
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?????: ???? ????? ??? ????? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ????? ????????? ????? ?????? ?????, ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????????, ?? ????? ??????. ??? ??? ???? ????. |
Narrator: The Oslo Accords stated at the time that Israel would gradually hand over territories to the Palestinians in three different pulses, unless the territories in question had settlements or military sites. This is where Netanyahu found a loophole. |
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?? ??? ?? ??? ?? ?? ????? ?????? ???????. ????? ?????? ???????, ??? ?????, ??? ????? ??????. ???? ?????, ???????, ?? ???? ???? ?????. |
Netanyahu: No one said what defined military sites. Defined military sites, I said, were security zones. As far as I’m concerned, the Jordan Valley is a defined military site. |
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????: ????. (?????) ?????? ??? ???. ??? ??? ???. |
Woman: Right [laughs]. The Beit She’an settlements. The Beit She’an Valley. |
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????: ?? ????. ?? ????. ??? ?? ???? ????, ?? ????? ?? ?? “????? ?????? ???????”. ?????? ???? ?????????. ??? ??? ????? ????? ???, ????? ??????, ?????? ????, ??? ?? ?????? ?? ??, ?? ????? ?????? ??????? ????, ??? ?????. ?????, ?? ?? ??? ??? ?? ????? ???, ?? ?? ???? ?? ???? ?????. ?????? ?? ????? ??????, ?????: “??? ?? ????”. ?? ?????? ?????, ??? ??? ?????? ??? ??? ?????, ????? ?? ???? ?????, ?? ?????? ????. ??? ??? ??? ???? ????. ??? ?? ????? ?? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ???? ?????. |
Netanyahu: How can you tell. How can you tell? But then the question came up of just who would define what Defined Military Sites were. I received a letter – to my and to Arafat, at the same time – which said that Israel, and only Israel, would be the one to define what those are, the location of those military sites and their size. Now, they did not want to give me that letter, so I did not give the Hebron Agreement. I stopped the government meeting, I said: “I’m not signing.” Only when the letter came, in the course of the meeting, to my and to Arafat, only then did I sign the Hebron Agreement. Or rather, ratify it, it had already been signed. Why does this matter? Because at that moment I actually stopped the Oslo Accord. |
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???: ?????? ???, ??? ?????, ?????, ???? ??? ?????, ??????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ?????, ???? ??? ?????? ?? ?????. ?? ?? ?? ??? ?? ?????. |
Woman: And despite that, one of our own peope, excuse me, who knew it was a swindle, and that we were going to commit suicide with the Oslo Accord, gives them – for example – Hebron. I never understood that. |
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????: ???? ????? ?? ????. ?? ????. ?? ???? ?????. ??? ??????? ?????????, ???? ???? ???? ????, ?? ?? ??? ?????, ??? ??: ?? ??? ??? ??? ?????” ????? ???? ???. ??? ?????? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ???? |
Netanyahu: Indeed, Hebron hurts. It hurts. It’s the thing that hurts. One of the famous rabbis, whom I very much respect, a rabbi of Eretz Yisrael, he said to me: “What would your father say?” I went to my father. Do you know a little about my father’s positiond? |
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Woman: Yes. |
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??? ???… |
Netanyahu: My father is… |
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???: ?? (????) |
Child: No. [laughs] |
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????: ??? ???? ??? ???. |
Woman: He’ll read in a little while. |
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????: ??? ?? ????? ???? ?????, ??? ???????. ?? ??? ??? ?? ????? ????: “???? ??? ????? ???, ??? ??? ??????????, ??? ????? ???. ???? ?? ????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ??? ??? ????.” ??? ?????? ?????? ??? ?? ????. ??? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?? ?????? ????. ????? ??? ??????.” ?????? ??? ?? ????? ?? ???????. ?????? ??? ????? ?? ????? ???? ?????. |
Netanyahu: He’s not exactly a lily-white dove, as they say. So my father heard the question and said: “Tell the rabbi that your grandfather, Rabbi Natan Milikowski, was a smart Jew. Tell him it would be better to give two percent than to give a hundred percent. And that’s the choice here. You gave two percent and in that way you stopped the withdrawal. Instead of a hundred percent.” The trick is not to be there and break down. The trick is to be there and pay a minimal price. |
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????: ??? ???? ?????. |
Woman: May you say that as prime minister. |
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????: ??? ????? ???. ??? ????? ??? ????. |
Netanyahu: In my estimate that will happen. |
by Dena Shunra and Phil Weiss on July 17, 2010
Source: MONDOWEISS
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– Israel Paves Way For Remote Control Killing (The National)
– Exposed: The Truth About Israel’s Land Grab In The West Bank (The Independent)
– Israel rejects international probe, says it would be biased against the Jewish state; Egypt calls Gaza blockade a failure, border stays open (AP)
– Iran Offers Military Protection To Gaza Aid Ships (RT)
– Former US Marine Disarms Israeli Commandos, Describes Mass Murder By Israeli Soldiers (YouTube)
– Autopsy Results Reveal That Gaza Flotilla Activists Were Shot In Head At Close Range (Guardian)
– Robert Fisk: The Truth Behind The Israeli Propaganda (Independent)
– Gilad Atzmon on Israeli collective madness: ‘The world sees now what Israel is all about’
– American teenager among those killed in Israeli raid of aid flotilla; Israeli soldiers accused of refusing to treat the injured, letting them die (Washington Post/Al Jazeera)
– President Abdullah Gul: Turkey will ‘never forgive’ Israel (Al Jazeera)
– Ex-Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky: Gaza flotilla raid ’so stupid it’s stupefying’ (The Raw Story)
– Israeli soldiers murder at least 10 civilians on boat carrying aid to Gaza (Los Angeles Times)
– Israel stations nuclear missile submarines off Iran (Times)
– Gaza Aid Flotilla Delayed After Mystery Faults Hit Two Boats (Independent)
– Israeli Commandos Ordered To Stop Gaza Aid Ships (Times)
– Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons (Guardian)
– Report: Israel threatens to ‘return Syria back to the Stone Age’ (Ynet)
– Discharged IDF Soldiers Sue For Millions Over Anthrax Vaccine Experiment (YNet News)
– The US Military now KNOWS Mossad carried out 9/11 Attacks:
Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former director of studies at the US Army War College says that the military brass now know that Israel “and those traitors within our nation” committed the 911 attack.
……”I have had long conversations over the last two weeks with contacts at the Army War College and the headquarters, Marine Corps and I’ve made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100% certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation.” Period.
– New FBI Files Alleging AIPAC Theft of Government Property and Israeli Espionage Released (PRNewswire)
– Israel Threatening To Use Nuclear Weapons On Iran! (FOX NEWS)
– Ex-Mossad Agent Ostrovsky: The ‘Anti-Semite’ Label
– Former Israeli Minister: ‘It’s a Trick, We Always Use It.’ (calling people ‘anti-Semitic’)
– UK Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza
– Palestinian children are stoned while walking to school (Christian Peacemaker Teams)
– Israel admits organ harvesting from Palestinians, and others, without consent (Guardian)
– UN assembly votes for probes of Gaza war crimes charges (Reuters)
– U.N. rights envoy: Israeli war crime of the greatest magnitude under international law in Gaza (Reuters)
– U.S. shipped 989 munitions containers to Israel week before Gaza invasion (Australien Herald)
– Paul Craig Roberts: Israel and the Goldstone Report – War Criminals Are Becoming Arbiters of the Law (CounterPunch)
– Israel’s war crimes in Gaza (Independent)
– Amnesty International: Gaza white phosphorus shells were US made (Times)
– Did Israeli soldiers kill unarmed civilians? (Toronto Star):
‘The most moral army in the world’ killed civilians without cause
– Israeli soldiers report abuses in Gaza (Los Angeles Times)
– Tony Benn to BBC: If you won’t broadcast the Gaza appeal then I will myself (BBC)
– Israel admits troops may have used phosphorus shells in Gaza (Guardian)
– Outcry over Israel’s reported use of phosphorus in Gaza (IHT)
– Israel accused of executing parents in front of children in Gaza (Telegraph)
– Gaza: ‘I watched an Israeli soldier shoot dead my two little girls’ (Independent)
– Israel ‘admits’ using white phosphorus munitions (Times)
– Gaza building apparently hit by phosphorus: UN (Vancouver Sun)
– Israeli use of white phosphorus ‘undeniable’: Amnesty International (The Age)
– Israel used phosphorus in heavily populated areas, doctors charge (Kansas City Star)
– Israeli army investigates use of white phosphorous in Gaza (Guardian)
– Israel shelled UK war graves in Gaza (Telegraph)
– Israel ‘will resume bombing’ of Gaza if Hamas reopens tunnels (Telegraph)
– Gideon Levy / Gaza war ended in utter failure for Israel (Ha’aretz)
The Muslims are backing the 911 mosque, and are doing Sharia creep in the west. Every day they support Muslim brotherhood, and Hespollah here.
There are videos of Muslims assaulting people here in North Minneapolis.
How’s it feel, sharia boys? We know what the Medina Koran says about jews, so what about when they do it back to you?
i dont realy know why all off the world stay behend the jewish people i have read the talmud (jewish bible). it shows how crazy you people are and pedophiles that is verry discusting you should be killed all off you crazy ovendutcher hitler was rigt you are mutch like rats let them palestinian free ya right god gave it to you haha that is why you fear palestinian muslims becous they belive in the one true god… have a nice life
you son of a bastards you are talking about what the quran say about you what about your talmud it say´s that before the end off time you will make the non jews to slaves and you can fuck a 3 year old child and calling the muslim for your enimy and i am shour about that the quran say i dont wereshep your god and you dont wereshep my i have my religion and you have yours that meens that you have to shot it okay… then the christian bible say the same things like quran about the jews.. you know the word judas meens jew but it allso meens pig snitch curupt pedo you do not deserv to live amongst os some day a hero like hitler and salah el-deen will come and fuck you up bitches
Obviously, an Arab intellectual.