And now the video with the 4 gunshots makes perfect sense.
The Polish plane that crashed in Smolensk, western Russia, on April 10th had only four people on board, audio recordings of the pilot’s communuications with the control tower suggest.
According to the recordings, the Polish pilot said that there were four people on the plane, indicating that the plane was empty apart from the four crew members.
This recording contradicts official statements that there were either 96 people or 132 people on the plane, including many top Polish civilian and military leaders.
The Polish pilot of the crashed plane IGA 703 communicates the information that there are four people on board as part of a routine exchange with the control tower as he approaches Smolensk airfield to land:
The Polish pilot says in Russian in the final sentence of the communication:
PILOT: “tolko posadka… a u nas CZIETYRJE czielovieka.”
“only landing… and here (on board) we are FOUR people.”
The audio recording could provide corroboration to a video clip that has emerged in which four gunshots can be heard being fired among the wreckage of the plane in the immediate aftermath of the crash.
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It has been speculated that four gun shots were fired to kill the survivors of the crash.
The cockpit of the crashed plane appears to be in relatively good shape, and some of the crew could have been expected to have survived.
According to the official investigation, however, the crew were among the most difficult to identify by DNA analysis in Moscow where all the bodies were allegedly taken.
The audio recording suggesting that there were only four people on board the plane – the four crew members – would correlate with the four gun shots, and with the theory of four people being killed by four shots.
None of the video footage of the crash site has shown any dead bodies or parts of bodies or the personnel belongings of crash victims.
Officials have given different figures for the number of people on the plane.
Russian officials at first said that 132 people were on the plane and 3 had survived. Polish officials said that there 89 people and 7 crew members ob board, totalling 96.
Every flight has to have a precise flight plan declared on arrival and departure including the number of passengers and crew. It is, therefore, not clear why there should be discrepancies.
In addition, the time point of the crash is not clear.
Russian investigators analysing the black boxes recovered from the crash site have said the plane crashed at 8:56 am CET.
But a Polish journalist alerted his newsroom at 8:49 am CET of the crash.
The black boxes stop recording at 8:41 am CET, making this the moment when the plane most likely crashed into the ground.
Smolensk air controllers are supposed to have lost contact with the plane at 8:39 am.
Already at 8:25 am, messages appear on Russian internet forums saying: „Something happened with the Polish airplane at our airport – all fire fighters are on alarm.”
The revealtion that only four people may have been on board the doomed plane will spark speculation that the military and civilians were abducted and killed in Poland.
Alternatively, the Polish delegation could have flown to Smolensk in different planes, adhering to security protocols. These planes could have been redirected to another airport and the passengers murdered on landing.
It is considered extremely improbable that so many Polish leaders would have ignored every security protocol and gone on the same plane together. But if they had been murdered elsewhere, a single plane crash could have been staged to explain their disappearance at the same time.
Adding to the mystery of who was on board, Polish journalists did not fly with the Presidential plane that April 10th morning as usual, and there appears to be no footage showing the Polish delegation boarding the plane at Warsaw.
President Lech Kaczynski is supposed to have made a call using a satellite phone to his brother shortly after 8 am, but it has been speculated that a voice synthesiser could have been used.
Also, Kaczynski usually phoned his brother, Jaroslaw, after he landed – and not before, it has been stated.
Another audio recording of the doomed flight suggests that the pilot had no problems with visibility with the pilot confirming „Haze” at 8 kilometres.
The term „Fog” is used to describe weather conditions when there is visibility under 1 kilometre in aviation terminology.
The plane appears to have been landing on the non standard side of Smolensk airport where there is dip in the landscape, according to maps:
http://picasaweb.google.ru/Amlmtr/MWzNeJ#5460505351912437762
It has been confirmed by Polish authorities, in the meantime, that the body of the man found in Poland was the missing signals officer Stefan Zielonka.
April 29, 2010
by Jane Burgermeister
Source: Birdflu666
See also:
– Polish Opposition Party Demands International Investigation Into Plane Crash
– Interfax: Terrain warning device was switched off on Polish crash plane
– Polish President killed over opposing landmark Gazprom deal?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=LSlVzBuOlIU&aq=f—-
pilot says “DESTINATION – SMOLENSK” – and it’s exactly same voice (and voice of other pilot) as on two other videos, and he says axactly same things on all 3 videos , exept different fragments were erased on each video. Just listen closely to all 3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HzdqZcDc10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDWfkloGDzc
So – someone posts a YouTube video and someone writes an article about it – and now there were only four people on the plane? Ridiculous.
Where then do you suggest are all of these people?
http://www.mswia.gov.pl/portal/pl/2/8365/Lista_pasazerow_i_zalogi_samolotu_TU154.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Polish_Air_Force_Tu-154_crash
http://jnkish.blogspot.com/2010/04/polish-presidential-jet-crash.html
List of Presidential plane crash victims
1st
Lech Kaczynski
President of Poland
2nd
Maria Kaczynska
Presidential Spouse
3rd
Ryszard Kaczorowski
former president of Poland in Exile
4th
Agacka-Indeck, Joanna
The President of the Superior Council of the Bar
5th
B?kowska Eve
granddaughter of Brig. Mieczyslaw Smorawinski
6th
Andrew B?asik
Polish Air Force Commander
7th
Krystyna Bochenek
Deputy Speaker of the Senate
8th
Borowska Anna Maria
representative of Katyn Families and other organization
9th
Bartosz Borowski
representative of Katyn Families and other organizations
10th
Tadeusz Buk
Commander of Land Forces of Poland
11th
Chodakowski Miron
Ordinary Orthodox Polish Army
12th
Czeslaw Cywinski
President of the World Association of Home Army Soldiers
13th
Leszek Deptu?a
representative of the Polish Parliament
14th
Zbigniew Debski
accompanying person
15th
Gregory Dolniak
representative of the Polish Parliament
16th
Catherine Doraczy?ska
representative of the Presidential Chancellery
17th
Edward Duchnowski
Secretary General of Association of Siberian Deportees
18th
Alexander Fedorowicz
translator of Russian
19th
Janina Fetli?ska
Senator RP
20th
Jaroslaw Florczak
officer BOR
21st
Frenchman Arthur
officer BOR
22nd
G?gor Francis
Chief of General Staff of Polish Army
23rd
Grazyna G?sicka
representative of the Polish Parliament
24th
Gilarski Kazimierz
The commander Training Centre
25th
Przemyslaw Gosiewski
representative of the Polish Parliament
26th
Gostomski Bronislaw
Fr. prelate
27th
Mariusz Handzlik
Undersecretary of State in the Chancellery of the President
28th
Roman Indrzejczyk
Chaplain Presidential Election
29th
Paul Janeczek
officer BOR
30th
Dariusz Jankowski
Office of the Presidential Chancellery Service
31st
Izabela Jaruga-Nowacka
representative of the Polish Parliament
32nd
Joseph Joniec
President of the Association Parafiada
33rd
Sebastian Karpiniuk
representative of the Polish Parliament
34th
Andrew Karweta
Commander Navy
35th
Kazan Mariusz
Director of the MFA Diplomatic Protocol
36th
Janusz Kochanowski
Ombudsman
37th
Komornicki Stanislaw
The representative of the Chapter of the Order of Military Virtutti
38th
Stanislaw Jerzy Komorowski
Undersecretary of State, Defense
39th
Paul Krajewski
officer BOR
40th
Andrew Kremer
Undersecretary of State for Foreign Affairs
41st
Zdzislaw Król
Chaplain Warsaw Katyn Families 1987-2007
42nd
Janusz Krupski
Head of the Office for War Veterans and Repressed Persons
43rd
Janusz Kurtyka
President of the Institute of National Remembrance
44th
Andrew Kwa?nik
Chaplain of the Federation of Katyn Families
45th
Bronislaw Kwiatkowski
Commander of the Polish Armed Forces Operational
46th
Lubin Wojciech
Polish President’s physician
47th
Tadeusz Lutoborski
representative of Katyn Families and other organization
48th
Barbara Mami?ska
Director of the Presidential Chancellery
49th
Mamontowicz-?ojek Zenon
representative of Katyn Families and other organization
50th
Stefan Melaka
President of the Katyn Committee
The fifty-first
Tomasz Merta
Undersecretary of State in the Ministry of Culture
52nd
Stanis?aw Mikke
Vice ROPWiM
53rd
Natallia-World Alexander
representative of the Polish Parliament
54th
Natusiewicz-Mirer Janina
accompanying person
55th
Peter Nosek
officer BOR
56th
Peter Nurowski
Head of the Polish Olympic Committee
57th
Bronislaw Orawiec-Löffler
representative of Katyn Families and other organization
58th
John Osinski
Ordinariate of the Polish Army
59th
Pilch, Adam
Protestant Chaplaincy Field
60th
Catherine Piskorska
representative of Katyn Families and other organization
61st
Maciej Plazynski
President of the Association “Polish Community”
62nd
Tadeusz P?oski
Ordinary of the Polish Army
63rd
Vladimir Potasi?ski
Polish Special Forces Commander
64th
Andrew Carrier
Secretary ROPWiM
65th
Krzysztof Putra
Deputy Speaker of the Sejm
66th
Richard Matricaria
Rector UKSW
67th
Arkadiusz Rybicki
representative of the Polish Parliament
68th
Sariusz-Sk?pski Andrew
President of the Federation of Katyn Families
69th
Wojciech Seweryn
representative of Katyn Families and other organization
The 70th
Slawomir Skrzypek
President of the Polish National Bank
71st
Solski, Leszek
representative of Katyn Families and other organization
72nd
Wladyslaw Stasiak
Head of the Presidential Chancellery
73rd
Jacek Pig
officer BOR
74th
Aleksander Szczyglo
Head of National Security Bureau
75th
Jerzy Szmajdzinski
Deputy Speaker of the Sejm
76th
Jolanta Szymanek-Deresz
representative of the Polish Parliament
77th
Izabela Tomaszewska
accompanying person
78th
Marek Uleryk
officer BOR
79th
Anna Walentynowicz
Founder of Free Trade Unions
80th
Walewska-Przyja?kowska Teresa
Foundation “Golgotha of the East”
81st
Zbigniew Wassermann
representative of the Polish Parliament
82nd
Water Wieslaw
representative of the Polish Parliament
83rd
Edward Wojtas
representative of the Polish Parliament
84th
Pawe? Wypych
Secretary of State in the President’s Chancellery
85th
Stanislaw Zajac
Senator RP
86th
Janusz Zakrzenski
outstanding Polish actor
87th
Zych Gabriel
representative of Katyn Families and other organization
88th
Dariusz Michalowski
officer BOR
89th
Pogródka-W?c?awek Agnieszka
officer BOR
List of crew members
90th
Arkadiusz Protasiuk
Master
91st
Robert Fine
crew member
92nd
Andrew Michalak
crew member
93rd
Arthur Zi?tek
crew member
94th
Barbara Maciejczyk
stewardess
95th
Natalia Januszko
stewardess
96th
Justin Montgomery
stewardess
J.N. Kish,
why don’t you remain at The Final Phase Forum (FPF) where you belong.
You and your comrades over there pretend that the FPF is a forum dedicated to discussing KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn, who defected to the West in 1961, warning the West that the USSR and all other communist states had agreed in 1959 to a long-term deception policy to lull the West into complacency. Golitsyn warned the West that the USSR would liberalize, that the Berlin Wall would come down and that the Warsaw Pact would be dissolved. All this Golitsyn predicted in 1961!
However, over at the FPF, when I began analyzing the Polish incident in Russia using Golitsyn’s methodology to study Russian behavior, I was attacked for promoting conspiracy theories! Needless to say I was shocked at the accusations. I assumed persons commenting on the FPF would have known that those who run for national elections in Poland are communists, including the president Lech Kaczynski, who was a senior advisor to Solidarity. You remember what Golitsyn said about Solidarity, don’t you? Golitsyn said that the trade union was planned by the USSR and the East Bloc during 1958-1960. And guess who was an advisor to Lech Wa??sa (You know Lech Wa??sa, don’t you? A communist according to Golitsyn.). Lech Kaczynski was an advisor to Lech Wa??sa! So here we have Lech Kaczynski advising Lech Wa??sa and Solidarity! Now tell me, why would the FPF be spreading anti-Golitsyn propaganda by accepting as true that the Russians killed their man in Poland along with the rest of the Polish government?!
An explanation of the Polish/Russian incident that is faithful to Golitsyn’s methodology is the following:
To refresh Western minds that are ignorant of Anatoliy Golitsyn that there are still historical antagonisms between Russia and Poland, and by extension that old historical antagonisms exist between Russia and other “formerly” East Bloc communist nations. Of course, as we should know, no such antagonisms exist within the respective governments.
or
To provide political cover for East Bloc nations to refuse to install America’s missile shield. Romania is the current East Bloc nation that said it will install the missile system. Thanks to the fake Polish massacre, Romania can safely renege on the agreement.
The above explanations for the Polish/Russian incident are worthy of Golitsyn’s methodology, not regurgitating Soviet disinformation that wants us to believe that Poland, and by extension other East Bloc nations, have real problems with the USSR. As you should know (if you’ve read Golitsyn), they don’t.
Maybe you and your comrades over at the FPF also don’t believe Golitsyn when he said in 1961 that the emerging Sino/Soviet split was a fraud?
You ask, “Where then do you suggest are all of these people?”
Response: Are you kidding? Take a wild guess!
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Over at the FPF the Robert Hanssen espionage case is also discussed. The FPF regurgitates the official narrative of a retired KGB officer assisting the FBI in their counterintelligence investigation of Hanssen, forgetting that the “collapse” of the USSR was a ruse, and that therefore the KGB would never assist in such an operation!
A proper explanation of the Hanssen counterintelligence case using Golitsyn’s methodology would be the FBI wanted to cause chaos within the ranks of the KGB by letting it be known that they were assisted in the investigation by a KGB officer.
Looks like the FPF completely forgot what Golitsyn has been saying since 1961. Or is that what the FPF wants the Soviet’s to think?
By the way, I figured out what the FPF is, and what it’s up to. My suggestion is to close it down. The KGB/GRU are laughing at it. it ain’t fooling them!
Addendum:
I would like to tweak my analysis above of the Polish presidential aircraft that crashed in Smolensk, western Russia:
The purpose for the fake aircraft crash operation was to cement in the minds of Western analysts that the Communists who still rule in the former East Bloc nations have disagreements with the Communists who still rule in Moscow. In other words, even though the Communists know that the West knows that Communists still maintain power in both the USSR and the former East Bloc nations, the intention of the Polish presidential aircraft crash was to convey to Western analysts that national rivalries are raising their heads, supplanting the Communist unity that KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn revealed to the West.